Dance with the devil: Tony Abbot may be backing away from last weeks protests, but is he aware of the antisemitic “flavour” of climate sceptic’s rhetoric?

Last weeks events were disturbing to say the least.

An ugly side to Australian politics was revealed.

I wonder how much longer Tony Abbot can try and appease the lunatic fringe of Australian politics and seem like reasoned individual, a leader people would feel comfortable leading the nation.

Abbot is now backing away from his “climate change is crap” line:

”There is a scientific debate. There always will be, but it’s pretty clear from the science that climate change is real and that mankind is making a contribution,” he said.

There are rumblings in the Liberal Party about Abbot aligning himself with the fringe elements that deny climate change.

Did you notice the signs about “New World Order”?


Now Abbot admits that some of those protestors “went to far”:

COALITION MPs have defended abusive anti-carbon tax protesters against Labor claims of extremism, as Tony Abbott expressed regret at the behaviour of some at yesterday’s rally.

Labor and the Greens have condemned protesters, some of whom held derogatory placards attacking the Prime Minister as a “witch”, a “frump” and a “bitch”.

Liberal MP Don Randall said the sentiments were the result of “extreme passions” in the crowd.

But the Opposition leader, who addressed the rally, said some protesters “went over the top”.

“Naturally, I regret that. But I can understand why people feel very passionate,” he said.

Abbot’s antics have no doubt hurt is standing and that of the Liberal Party. Indeed, it was a spectacular “own goal”. If there is one thing the Australian general public does not respond well too is extremists of any stripe.

One can only dance with the devil for short term gain for so long Tony…

But just “who” is Mr. Abbot dancing with?

The conspiracy of “international bankers”

So much of rhetoric of those attending the anti-tax rally was the paranoid style of politics:

The hand-drawn slogans suggested the definition of extreme had been rewritten. ”Carbon dioxide is a harmless trace gas, you are fraudulent criminals,” offered one. ”Carbon really ain’t pollution,” stated another. ”What do you expect of an atheist in Canberra – ain’t that right Ju-liar?”

Some of the earnest scribblers edged right out of the carbon tax theme: ”No multiculturalism: Assimilate and Integrate” and ”Illegals stay, Ozzies Pay”. And there was a hark to the past: ”Pauline knew 10 years ago,” although there was no explanation of what.

Ah, yes, Pauline. Ms Hanson herself strode among the faithful, offering her wisdom to anyone who might listen. One Nation might be buried, but a wrath of fellow travellers also hitched their wagons to the day’s outpouring of dudgeon. The League of Rights, the National Civic Council, anti-gun control enthusiasts and the Lavoisier Group, disputers of climate change science, were all among this representative example of middle Australia.

Reported in the crowd were supporters of the virulently anti-Semitic League of Rights (LoR). The LoR is helping grow the “Anti-tax” supporter base, as indicated on their website:

“…Yes; and there are Sites on Facebook etc. springing up, that have members joining in hundreds; with excellent comments. The movement is growing exponentially; in addition to the established ranks who organised the previous Monckton and Watts Tours. Even though today’s rallies are in business hours, many who are free, are travelling interstate to give their support.

If Christopher Monkton’s events can be outside working hours, we will get huge numbers who earnestly want to protest against Gillard’s Mammoth Con Job (of Libyan proportions). Monkton could find that his mission in Australia is the biggest thing since the Billy Graham Crusades of the 1950s filled the Melbourne and Sydney Cricket Grounds. Gillard likes to talk tough in Parliament; waving her finger at the Opposition and saying “Bring it On”. Well Julia…. we might just Do That, with the help of millions of Australians. “

Racism, paranoia… and climate change scepticism.

Should we be that surprised?

For over a year now I’ve been watching the denial movement talk about “international banking”. Indeed this phrase peppers the language of much of the movement’s writings.

I’m going to put my pet hypothesis out in the open: there is a strong anti-Semitic “flavour” to the sceptic movement.

I’m not accusing all climate sceptics of being anti-Semitic.

However, the “code words” frequently used amongst the anti-Semitic “community” frequently appear in the climate sceptic literature.

Witness the words of David Evans, one of the principal figures cited as an “expert” by the conservative press in Australia in one of his publications:

“…There are a small number of families who, over the centuries, have amassed wealth through financial rent seeking. They are leading members of the paper aristocracy. For example, the Rothschild’s are the biggest banking family in Europe, and were reputed to own half of all western industry in 1900. That sort of wealth doesn’t just dissipate, because unless the managers are incompetent the wealth tends to concentrate. The banking families don’t work for a living in the normal sense, like the rest of us. They avoid scrutiny and envy by blending in and make themselves invisible. Since they own or influence all sorts of media organizations, it isn’t too hard. There are unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories, but nobody can really credibly say how much wealth and influence they have…

…Perhaps today’s fiat currencies—the US dollar, pound, yen and so on—will go up in smoke in an inflationary crescendo in the next few years, perhaps as planned by the paper aristocracy. Maybe they will reintroduce an asset backed currency. And guess who has all the gold? Those banking families have been salting it away for years. Possibly a global currency, so one cannot escape the predations of the paper aristocracy. This is not just about money, but about power, of course. Anyway, these are only unsubstantiated rumors. We shall see.

The Rothschild family (financiers of Jewish decent) has long been the focus of conspiracy theories decades – if not centuries;

“Over more than two centuries, the Rothschild family has frequently been the target of conspiracy theories. These theories take differing forms, such as claiming that the family belongs to the Illuminati, controls the world’s wealth and financial institutions…”

The Rothschild’s are haunting the lunatic fringes of politics, as the blog “NWO Observer” demonstrates;

“…One of those in the forefront of exposing such schemes has been Lord Christopher Monckton[1] who has focused on the climate change scenario as part of a world state agenda. Only after threatening a diplomatic incident, Lord Christopher obtained the draft of the Copenhagen treaty that would have imposed an international 2% tax on all financial transactions, a 2% tax on the GDP, and established 700 new United Nations bureaucracies, with the international tax revenue going to the World Bank. However, the 2009 UN Copenhagen Climate Change Conference ended in disarray without the formal imposition of international taxation and bureaucracy. Lord Monckton stated of the agenda at Copenhagen: “Once again they are desperately trying to conceal from everybody here the magnitude of what they’re attempting to do – they really are attempting to set up a world government.”

…This at least would appear to be the Rothschild plan: to create an international authority on the pretext of saving the world from global warming, this salvation being somehow achievable by creating a “carbon exchange” as another source of speculative profit for the Rothschilds, et al. The international authority leading towards a “new world order” would have The City of London as its world capital.”

Or the notoriously paranoid and over-the-top Prison Planet (USA):

“…Allegations that skeptics of the man-made explanation behind global warming are somehow doing the bidding of the elite are laughable in the face of the fact that Rothschild operatives and the very chairman of British Petroleum are the ones orchestrating an elitist plan to push global warming fears in order to achieve political objectives.”

What is surprising is how often “Lord’ Monckton appears in this posts and blogs. Monckton is well known for his view that global warming is a ruse to establish a “world government”.

I’d also note Perth based Evans is married to Jo Nova – another prominent climate sceptic.

The roots of the Rothschild connection: centuries of paranoia

During the 19th century the Rothschilds were favourite figures of anti-Semites as noted in Antisemitism: a historical encyclopaedia of prejudice and persecution.

It has long been understood that the phrase “international bankers” is a code words for “Jews”.

Indeed, the Australian Leauge of Rights still use these codes words today:

“…Anti-semitism has been the “touchstone of the League’s ideology”. The League has described the Holocaust as the “alleged Holocaust” and the “Holocaust Hoax”. Its founder, Eric Butler was well known for his anti-Semitism and support of such documents as the Protocols of Zion. The historian Andrew Markus wrote that “In the 1990s league publications were still promoting The Protocols, describing the Holocaust as a ‘hoax’, the invention of Zionist propagandists, identifying prominent Jewish individuals in public life and declaring that modern Christianity was ‘little more than a form of Liberal Judaism’. The Jewish plot was also described using various code words, notably the ‘one world conspiracy’ hatched by ‘international elites’, international bureaucracies, international bankers, members of the Fabian Society, or the United Nations.”.

Angry Anderson, former “rocks star” and now the public face of the anti-tax movement states rants about the “new world order” and “international banks”:

“…do we really think that this present government are about the people,for the people,of the people?…do we really believe that this push for a TAX on Carbon pollution is about anything but raising more revenue for the government and the United nations,….in league with the International banks using the “New world order”as blueprint for the Globalization of the now free world?

wouldn’t be the first time the internationsl [sic] banking cartels have duped and enlisted the young and outraged to do their dirty work whilst preying on the fears of the older working population threatening them with their morgtage and livelihood,keeping us distracted with issues, like trying to educate our kids and keeping a roof over our heads, while they plot and scheme to fleece yet more of our money away from us;….more later…”

The Rothschilds still feature in many of the writings of the extreme right wing and conspiracy theorists.

As noted in text “Conspiracy theories in American history“:

“…anti-Bliderberger rhetoric focuses on the an international cabal run by the Rockefellors and Rothschilds…

Critics of these “international bankers” and “secret governments” tend to draw their metaphors, figures and arguments from a vast conceptual reservoir that includes… the so called Jewish-Masonic world conspiracy…

…groups highly attuned to the language of antisemitism (such as the Anti-Defamation League) often detect antisemitism in certain code words (i.e. the Rothschilds, “international bankers” etc.)

In the extreme fringes, antisemitism and the coming New World Order are strongly linked.

I smell something rotten in the language of the sceptics. There is something “off” about some elements of the climate sceptic movement.

Clearly we are surfacing the darker elements of Australian political culture.

80 thoughts on “Dance with the devil: Tony Abbot may be backing away from last weeks protests, but is he aware of the antisemitic “flavour” of climate sceptic’s rhetoric?

  1. Geoff Brown says:

    “If there is one thing the Australian general public does not respond well too is extremists of any stripe.”

    Julia Gillard declared that the GANG-Greens were extremists and yet she signed a pact with those devils.

    • ianash says:

      You should go on the radio Geoff. “GANG-Greens” – what a chortle! What a guffaw. Comedic gold!

      Bet the OAP’s at TCS love that sort of stuff dont they.

      • JeffT says:

        Crikey ianash,
        You really do show show your limitations hey?

        Gang-Greens is an old description of the radical green fanatics who hold up their policies, without any disregard for consequences.

        Gang-Green, Derived from gangrene, a disease resulting from reduced blood circulation caused by many reasons, tissue damage and tissue death, and eventually death of the patient.

        Sounds just like some of the Green NGO’s.
        Cut of land usage by restrictions on clearing of rubbish growth,
        (reduce the blood flow)
        Legally hassle the legitimate owners until they fail financially or healthwise.
        (tissue damage and death)

        And there’s nothing to guffaw about either gangrene or Gang-Green, unless your a simpering, giggling idiot.

        Gang-Green, a very apt and clever simile, used by many, not just by TCS or Geoff Brown.

      • ianash says:

        LOL, you are such a bonehead JeffT. One day someone will explain irony to you.

        My bet is you are one of the racist NWO types without the ability to interact with any people except your white fat middle aged knucklescraper friends. And very limited world experience – probably never traveled internationally. Never bothered to find out about the rest of the world. Small mind, small you know what…

      • john byatt says:

        speaking of irony

        posted at Just Morons

        Reply by Rob Moore on March 23, 2011 at 7:16pm
        Barnaby and all the Ralliers today- a big thank you and well done.

        All the name calling is purile Labor Logic. You would have had to of failed grade 3 social studies to fall for this CO2 nonsense.
        The day of reckoning when these clowns will have nowhere to hide is getting close!

      • Geoff Brown says:

        You missed the point ianass, our gallant PM signed a pact with the GANG-Greens. She accused Abbott of mixing with extremists at the anti-carbon dioxide tax rally. She called the Greens extremists after she had done a deal with them.

        Liar and hypocrite!

    • john byatt says:

      comcorn or acorn , you are still a nut

    • john byatt says:

      well now we now who wrote” Bob Browns bitch”

      at unleashed

      Geoff Brown :
      25 Mar 2011 5:44:06pm
      Julia wanted a peoples assembly to judge her lied-about carbon dioxide tax. She got it.


    • ianash says:

      Hehehe, Geoff, that irony hole you are digging just gets deeper and deeper and deeper…

  2. ianash says:

    Many climate deniers share the racist Hansonite view of the world – born of ignorance and stupidity and dog whistled by groups like the Liberal Party. It’s always someone elses fault – new immigrants stealing jobs, aborigines stealing land (via native title), jews stealing money (as shown above), scientists stealing [insert latest denier wingnuttery here]….

    They are unable to coherently examine a problem (like climate change) without linking it to some ‘cabal’ or conspiracy. Sad, sad people.

    • JeffT says:

      ianass (that’s good Geoff, can I borrow that ?)
      You wrote ( probably also with one hand on the keyboard like Johnny)

      “LOL, you are such a bonehead JeffT. One day someone will explain irony to you. ”
      Not you, that’s for sure, I only take notice of rational people.

      “My bet is you are one of the racist NWO types”
      Does that mean I can hop in my private Gulfstream and jet of to the next Bilderberg jaunt, with my pigmentally enhanced butler and Oriental mistress ?

      “without the ability to interact with any people except your white fat middle aged knucklescraper friends.”
      That does not compute with my racist NWO typing.

      “And very limited world experience – probably never traveled internationally.”
      Well as I wasn’t born with a silver spoon up my derriere, and spoilt rotten ,
      given travel as an incentive to keep away from home – yes, youd be right, I’ve never travelled internationally. I’ve worked since leaving my training, first for a boss for 15years, then self employed in a successful business
      for many years – Johnny Byatt will do the math for you.

      “Never bothered to find out about the rest of the world. Small mind, small you know what…” You know what (LOL)
      Now I can just go where I want to, but unlike you I won’t be visiting the Disneylands across the world.

  3. john byatt says:

    denialdepot summed up their contradiction perfectly as regards to the poor

    At the same time climate legislation is not really about the climate at all. The true motive is socialist wealth redistribution – a transfer of money from rich to poor. I am very much against giving money to the poor.

    Couldn’t we instead spend the zillions pegged for wind turbines and carbon taxes on real problems, such as tackling world poverty, ie giving money to the poor?

  4. JeffT says:

    Johnny Byatt,

    Ten little indians. (Four little indians)

    Your next (Anna Blight)

    • john byatt says:

      Hoist with his own petard

      a political idealogical denier , nothing to do with science at all , pure extreme right world view,

      yes veronica they still exist

  5. john byatt says:

    hoist with his own petard

  6. JeffT says:

    Yes well, all very instructive,
    And clever Johnny Byatt can play with his keyboard and put up accents – WoW ! But he doesn’t both hands on it.

    “Political idealogical denier …… pure extreme right world view.”
    A bit over the top of course, but that’s WtD.

    Dyed in the wool Labor, voted Labor up through the Whitless/Whitlam years.
    Labor Party membership and still kept blindly voting Labor, until after Carr.
    Then you start to see changes that are not right, loss of access, changes in mining laws, changes in work conditions, mostly to do with increased union interests. etc. The manipulation at branch level, not listening to their voters.

    I then voted Democrat – ” keep the bastards honest “, until they fell on their swords.- Andrew Barfly Bartlett etc.
    I’ve always worked on the principle ” Doesn’t matter who you vote for, you get a politician “.
    So I vote to the right.
    And little Johnny Byatt can pull himself up by his own bootstraps, for his
    ” analysis “.
    Wrong as usual.

    • john byatt says:

      jefft you sound like one of those

      ” I have voted labor all my life but now i can see the light and will vote for liberal for the first time in my life”

      yer jefft pull the other one ,, bootstraps that is

      • JeffT says:

        Wrong again Johnny Byatt,

        No big flash decision, but I told you that –
        Many years of indecision.

        I also found recently my younger brother independently made the same decision around the same time, and he was an office bearer in an East Sydney branch of Labor until Carr, and he resigned.

        And wrong again – I voted National

      • ianash says:

        hahaha! National. The home of backwoods bumpkins!

  7. john byatt says:

    I don’t follow politics but you do seem to have a timeline problem there ,

    anyway you are a liar so it means nothing to anyone here, you are extreme right wing and ashamed of it apparently

    • JeffT says:

      Phssst !

    • JeffT says:

      @ john byatt (12:17:59)

      “I don’t follow politics but you do seem to have a timeline problem there”

      for someone that doesn’t follow politics, you’re sure a mouthpiece.

      And as right wing as it took to shift a lying government.
      On a local basis – Success!

      Local Federal strategy planning on the way post Sat 26/3/11
      To shift another lying government, and a devious Independent.

      And the same old carbonista fallback, if you don’t have anything to say, call those concerned liers.

  8. J Bowers says:

    In the UK the BNP (offshoot of the neo-Nazi National Front) and UKIP (oft referred to as “the BNP in blazers”) deny AGW and would stop attempts to address it given the chance. That’s the same UKIP which Monckton is deputy leader of, and is/was their climate change spokesman of, by the way.

    BNP Manifesto 2010

    • The BNP rejects the “climate change” theory which holds that all western nations need to be stripped of their manufacturing base and pay untold billions to the Third World to build up their industries.

    Ukip answers questions about its science policy

    Pending the report of the Royal Commission, Ukip would immediately:
    · Repeal the Climate Change Act, and close the Climate Change Department;
    · Halt all UK contributions to the IPCC and to the UN Framework Convention;
    · Halt all UK contributions to any EU climate-change policy, including carbon trading;
    · Freeze all grant aid for scientific research into “global warming”.

    In any event, Ukip would immediately:

    · Commission enough fossil-fuelled and nuclear power stations to meet demand;
    · Cease to subsidise wind farms, on environmental and economic grounds;
    · Cease to subsidise any environmental or “global-warming” pressure groups;
    · Forbid public authorities to make any “global-warming”-related expenditure;
    · Relate Met Office funding to the accuracy of its forecasts;
    · Ban “global warming” propaganda, such as Gore’s movie, in schools;
    · Divert a proportion of the billions now wasted on the non-problem of “global warming” towards solving the world’s real environmental problems.

    Quel surpris.

  9. klem says:

    I love it; watching this hapless enviro-nazi blog devolve into nothing more than mere name calling. I guess the WtD folks realize that climate alarmism is dead, that must hurt. Actually I shouldn’t be too harsh, if it weren’t for John b, Jeff T, and a couple of others, no one would visit this bog at all.

    • ianash says:

      back to scraping your knuckles!

    • LeftRightOut says:

      I tend to agree, a lot of impotent rage going on. And I thought they might have actually had sort of case… alas, they have nothing but leftist bile… an amusing few minutes spent reading, though.

  10. J Bowers says:

    klem — “I guess the WtD folks realize that climate alarmism is dead, that must hurt.”

    ROFLMAO. Dream on.

    UK climate deniers: ~25% of the population.
    US climate deniers: ~33% of the population (coincidentally the same figure that believe the Sun revolves around the Earth).

    When you exclude over-65’s in the UK, ~93% believe climate change is happening and man is causing it.

    Must hurt. Get a hanky, or treat yourself to a new zimmer frame.

    • klem says:

      That’s wierd, according to my statistics UK climate deniers ~ 49% and US climate deniers ~ 59%. Sorry, you lose.


      • Watching the Deniers says:


      • J Bowers says:

        klem — “That’s wierd, according to my statistics UK climate deniers…”


        Jan. 31, 2011 – Public belief in climate change weathers storm, poll shows

        Events of past 18 months have little effect on Britons’ opinion, as 83% view climate change as a current or imminent threat
        A large majority of people think that humanity is causing climate change, with 68% agreeing and 24% choosing to blame non-man-made factors,

        Sep. 8, 2010 – Large Majority of Americans Support Government Solutions to Address Global Warming

        Large majorities of the residents of Florida, Maine and Massachusetts believe the Earth has been getting warmer gradually over the last 100 years (81 percent, 78 percent and 84 percent, respectively), and large majorities favor government action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions…
        Majority believe warming due to human activity

        Mirroring the national survey, the statewide research conducted in July shows that very large majorities think that if the world has been warming, it has been due primarily or at least partly to “things people do” – 72 percent in Florida, 76 percent in Maine and 80 percent in Massachusetts compared to 75 percent nationally.

        Jan. 5, 2011 – Scientific American –“Bulge” in Atmospheric Pressure Responsible for Cold Winter Amid Global Warming

        But Jon Krosnick, a professor at Stanford University, said the only group affected by cold weather in terms of belief about climate change is the 30 percent of the population who distrust scientists. And then they only consider how the most recent season compares to the previous three years in terms of worldwide temperatures, he said.

        If this winter is unusually cold, he said, you would expect to see a “small drop” in the percentage of people who think global warming is happening.

        “People don’t use their local temperatures as a benchmark,” he said. “They are not dodos.”

      • ianash says:

        klem = sockpuppet

    • JeffT says:

      J Bowers,
      If the temperatures in the UK keep on repeating the extremely low (read freezing ) temperatures as seen this winter and the two previous winters, with the elderly freezing to death in their homes, because they cannot afford electricity from FAN power – that will remove those troublesome pensioners.

      Then the numbers will look even better. ( ? )

      Check the age of the “~33% of the population (coincidentally the same figure that believe the Sun revolves around the Earth).”
      And you’d probably find a large percentage are of those that have been dumbed down by mind numbing video such as An Inconvenient Truth, The Day after Tomorrow et al.


      • J Bowers says:

        JeffT, please provide figures and sources for the elderly dropping in their tracks, and I’ll provide you with figures and sources for the tens of thousands who dropped dead from searing European heat in 2003 and a huge increase in the Russian mortality rate only last summer, which is precisely what the elderly have to look forward to. I suggest you think of yourself when making spurious claims about what were, in reality, a couple of cold months this last winter, a few weeks the winter before that, and a few days the winter before that one. Shock horror, it snowed in winter! I see the sea didn’t freeze around the shores of Blighty like they did in the 60s. Hmmm. Warmer water can’t freeze, I guess. In the meantime this past winter, Greenland experienced temperatures up to 21C above average as did Arctic Canada.

      • LeftRightOut says:

        I thought “weather is not climate” was the argument (from both sides) – it appears this is the case only when it doesn’t work in your favour.

        I’d prefer not to formulate policy on [flawed] computer models. No doubt CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but no one has come close to proving the feedbacks. In fact, the models have all be proven to overstate this by massive amounts.
        I think the “precautionary principal” would dictate that we don’t take a chance, and leave the economy alone.

  11. john byatt says:

    Just for Klem

    According to a new NASA-funded satellite study, the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are losing mass at an accelerating pace and are overtaking ice loss from mountain glaciers and ice caps to become the dominant contributor to global sea level rise. The graph above shows the gain and loss of ice mass from the world’s two largest ice sheets. Though there are gains within individual years, the overall trend from 1992 to 2010 has been toward losses.

    Each year over the course of the 18-year study, the two ice sheets lost a combined average of 36.3 billion tons more than they did the year before. The Greenland ice sheet lost mass faster at an average of 21.9 billion tons more per year. In Antarctica, the year-over-year speedup in lost ice mass averaged 14.5 billion tons.

    “That ice sheets will dominate future sea level rise is not surprising—they hold a lot more ice mass than mountain glaciers,” said lead author Eric Rignot, jointly of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of California, Irvine. “What is surprising is this increased contribution by the ice sheets is already happening. If present trends continue, sea level is likely to be significantly higher than levels projected by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007.” …

  12. john byatt says:


    ““And very limited world experience – probably never traveled internationally.”
    Well as I wasn’t born with a silver spoon up my derriere, and spoilt rotten ,

    jefft equates international travel with having been born with a silver spoon in whatever or being spoiled rotten

    this is envy syndrome , I hate the world because i have failed therefore anyone who has had success must have been handed that on a plate,


    • JeffT says:

      Nah Johnny Byatt,
      I don’t envy you. And who hates the world, sure isn’t me.
      What I do hate is the distortion of science by consensus peddlers.

      My bank account and share portfolio, along with my health and marital status equates to success.

      Back to travel – my main interest when travelling is Australian history and geo-morphology, related to my interest in geology.
      A bit difficult if your poncing around Europe or the US.

      And I notice you didn’t comment on the JCR paper link I posted last night.
      Too complicated for your mind maybe ?
      Can’t come up with a cut and paste criticism ?
      You’ve got to email Cook at Pseudo Science maybe ?

      • ianash says:

        “My bank account and share portfolio, along with my health and marital status equates to success”

        This says it all doesn’t it.

        Typical fat, lazy, pig-ignorant, small-minded, small-hearted, self-centred drongo with the emotional intelligence of a festering bed-sore.

      • JeffT says:

        ianinane, @ (05:08:56) :

        “My bank account and share portfolio, along with my health and marital status equates to success”

        “This says it all doesn’t it.”

        “Typical fat, lazy, pig-ignorant, small-minded, small-hearted, self-centred drongo with the emotional intelligence of a festering bed-sore.”

        At least I did it all myself, without hanging off the teat of the public coffers. And that bugs your type who believes in the handout mentality.
        You sound like a public servant that thinks the world is there just to just to serve them. A cancer in the bowels of society.

      • ianash says:

        I guess for someone with your limitations JeffT, you have to believe that, otherwise your whole world would crumble…

      • LeftRightOut says:

        “This says it all doesn’t it.

        Typical fat, lazy, pig-ignorant, small-minded, small-hearted, self-centred drongo with the emotional intelligence of a festering bed-sore.”
        It actually doesn’t say much… your response does, though.

        Wow!, just wow!

      • john byatt says:

        yer the festering bed sore was a bit rich ,

      • LeftRightOut says:

        lol, I actually did laugh at that… nice! 🙂

  13. john byatt says:

    Share portfolio, another bitter GFC victim ? , trying to play with the big boys ,

    Tried to talk a friend out of putting a lot of cash into the stock market a few months before the crash,

    most australians do not realise that in america if you cannot pay your mortgage you just leave the keys in the door and leave, that is it , the sub prime tsunami has been coming for years, with mortgages bundled up and sold off

    many people bought in AO at about 6900 , I have heard of retirees living in the back yards of their children as they cannot afford fuel for their $300,000 mobile gas guzzler ,

    me, i have an Austent and pull the boat or canoe behind on a trailer with a RAV4 , we can pack everything in the RAV and none of it even peaks above the back windows,

    • JeffT says:

      Johnny Byatt,
      Heh, heh, heh. He wrote –

      “Share portfolio, another bitter GFC victim ? , trying to play with the big boys” .
      It is only a hobby you silly boy. May turn shares into gold though.

      No mortgage – paid the balance out in cash a few years ago.

      $300,000 mobile gas guzzler – Nah, just a diesel Prado and stay in motels.
      Will hire a mobile, if I want to go any distance from accommodation .

      And while we’re at, I’m not a city slicker. I’ve always been semi rural to country town person. I only turn to the city if I want to buy equipment or computer hardware, mostly covered by internet ordering and payment now.

    • Watching the Deniers says:

      As I’ve said before, the weakness of the US property market was understood for years… I worked in a large Australian bank a few years before the GFC, and we talked about it all the time.

      People understood the weakness of the sub-prime bubble and the enormous asset bubble that was being created. A crash was expected – actually, a “correction” was understood to be in the making.

      For me the parallels between climate change and the GFC are hauntingly familiar – an issue is well understood by experts, but ignored or disbelieved by large segments of the population *and* political elites with a libertarian/dogmatic market fundamentalism.

      Most people want the benefits without the risk, therefore chose to ignore the risk.

      The information is always there if you look for it, and not view it through an ideological filter.

  14. john byatt says:

    devolve, now you are a really old codger klem

    • JeffT says:

      Answer to your city slickers jibe
      was an answer to your occasional jibe about me being a city slicker. You were the one who added that to the circus.

      But you forgot that as well, Johnny. Must be something in those mudcrabs that results in early Alzhiemer’s.

      You ask:-
      “why do you feel that being a city slicker is somehow insulting ?”
      Playing word games Johnny B. ? DILLIGAF !
      I don’t find city slickers somehow insulting, that was your bag(ging).

      “I was not knocking city slickers jefft , just the ones like you that claim to be authorities after a thirty second google search”
      I also was having a look around the wetlands, in regard to the birdlife that transits into T.C.B. in Spring. – How’s the midges ?

      • john byatt says:

        MIDGE BITES – ABC Online Forum
        3 posts – 3 authors – Last post: 2 Sep 2006
        I suffered for three years from Midge Bites and have the scars to … lives in the Port Macquarie canal estates it apparently works well.

        those 30 second google searches that you do Jefft

      • john byatt says:

        jefft ” Answer to your city slickers jibe”

        where was that jefft ?

  15. john byatt says:

    At just mprons

    Reply by Ilana Yael Leeds on March 23, 2011 at 9:11pm

    I am writing a letter but have some other concerns and writing I must attend to first. It has been so busy and HOORAY I have a casual position in the school where my son learns and am able to receive my wage against his fees for the extra curricular. It is only a day here and a day there but it is a start.
    One day I am going to wipe the floor with these Teacher Federation pigs in NSW who think just because I hold different political views to them and hold different views on some lifestyles to them, that I should not be a teacher. I am so tied up with that so I really do not have time for this carbon tax at the moment but I will get a letter off to Miz Gizards. My passion is education and I don’t care what part of the political spectrum you hold, just be an independent thinker, smart and not brain washed by any media or who ever. Be a thinker and a doer, not a sheep.
    The government relies on people being sheep and not questioning them and smart people do ask questions and confront those in power about their decisions if they believe they are doing the wrong thing or making mistakes. You must, other wise you are a fool and what is worst, a bullied fool. Education is a must for the modern world, now more than ever. People must be articulate and ornery.
    I hope they had a good turnout today. I have a little piece on the greens and it is not bad but needs

    bet she is not teaching english, i hope

  16. JeffT says:

    Jeez J.B.

    Pick, pick, pick.
    Pick on a devout Jewish woman, divorced, single parent, lost her employment as a teacher over different political views.
    Brave Johnny, very brave and oh so typical of the new righteous left.

    And you expect that anyone that posts on a forum to use correct English, be politically correct and of course be part of the sheeple that believe climate change verbatim.
    How about you capitalise the beginning of your paragraphs and names – just for starters.

    • ianash says:

      Old people like JeffT get cranky when the grammar aint correct. Makes their slippers itchy.

      And sheeple = 9/11 truther speak. Looks like JeffT has many sides to his loony.

      • JeffT says:

        Sheeple is use by others inane, but you seem to have truthers in your head, along with many other confused thoughts.

        But the application from Wikipedia :-
        It is often used to denote persons who voluntarily acquiesce to a perceived authority or suggestion without sufficient research to understand fully the ramifications involved in that decision, and thus undermine their own human individuality or in other cases give up certain rights. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe or do whatever they are told, especially if told so by a perceived authority figure believed to be trustworthy, without critically thinking about it or doing adequate research to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them.

        But we must excuse you, from your schoolyard childishness, it appears that you are immature from your name calling.
        Please continue, it becomes you and if you’re an example, just shows the level of opposition.

        Now why don’t you go around the back of the shelter shed and mass debate with young Johnny, on seeing how much CO2 you can generate, of course.

      • JeffT says:

        From your library, each line a look into your head -and it ain’t pretty.
        Crikey I hope your a Queenslander (Cane Toad County )

        JeffT = (yokel + ignorant buffon)
        JeffT = (yokel + buffoon)
        JeffT, I doubt you can read – at least not above a fifth grade level.
        klem = sockpuppet
        back to scraping your knuckles!

        More gems below.

        Now why don’t you wake up to yourself and at least get back to the thread, and make a bigger idiot of yourself by accusations of Hansenism and anti-Semitism.
        Goes with your sort of mindset.

      • ianash says:

        Uhoh, old Jeffie is getting a little cranky. Must be 6pm and past his bed time.

        Too close to the bone? Did I offend your Saint Pauline? Latent racism something you are ashamed of? Dont like a light shone on your links with the 9/11 truthers? How about the other fringe groups you belong to – shall we explore them as well?

  17. john byatt says:

    Devout jewish women , irrelevant
    divorced, irrelevant
    single parent irrelevant
    lost her job , irrelevant

    That she might be teaching children her obvious vile and ignorant views while contorting English , very relevant

    no one picks on anyone here for the odd typo but when you see klem confuse evolve as having an antonym, “devolve” then we are watching Dunning Krugers in action, then again he may be very old

    • JeffT says:

      Johnny Byatt,

      With apologies in advance to Ms Leeds (who I know only as a member of Just Grounds).

      If she taught ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ , sustainability and environmentalism with a bias favouring left leaning government policies, I believe she would be acceptable to members of WtD.

      • john byatt says:

        Jefft in just about every single reply to anyone you always use the Strawman ,
        “If she taught ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ , sustainability and environmentalism with a bias favouring left leaning government policies, I believe she would be acceptable to members of WtD.”

        A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

        try to read posts ,what is being stated and answer based on that alone, not on your weird contortions of logic,

      • JeffT says:

        @ john byatt (23:13:06) :
        Pardon me,
        Maybe I should have stated for example :-
        “If she taught ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ , sustainability and environmentalism with a bias favouring left leaning government policies, —
        And finished of with —‘ as being taught in schools now as part of the Australian Curriculum.’
        I believe she would be acceptable to members of WtD.”

        Why do you read in the media of parents being distressed with the application of this type of material in school ? There are parents that have taken children out of school for this reason.

        I can read the same material that you have “cut and pasted”.
        “substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition”.
        On analysis you would find it was not a superficially similar proposition, but an alternative.
        A “what if ” proposition. Do I have to draw you a picture ?
        So stick your strawman argument up where the sun doesn’t shine.
        “try to read posts ,what is being stated and answer based on that alone, not on your weird contortions of logic,”

      • john byatt says:

        Jefft , here is the statement

        “That she might be teaching children her obvious vile and ignorant views while contorting English , very relevant”

        you are now constructing your own logic , that such a person would be acceptable at WtD if she was a lefty ”

        and now you wander off into irrelevant absurdities about distressed parents,

        people teaching children with her obvious vile and ignorant views while contorting English would not be acceptable to members of Wtd,

        that is what you need to address and prove wrong.

  18. DaveMcRae says:

    Ahh the rally of crazy

    I notice all signs I saw were of American spelling – mom and ass – rather than mum and arse. Are they Americans or source their slogans from US fringe?

    It seems that the UK, Europe, even NZ, everywhere but USA and Aus, conservatives respect their scientific institutions and practice the virtue of prudence and implement market based solutions. US and Aus ‘conservatives’ are the exact opposite on all counts. What is that?

    • JeffT says:

      @ DaveMcRae,

      “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
      – Edward Abbey

      Some people’s defence is demonstration and sometimes poorly worded signs.
      Heaven forbid if those signs and demonstrations are replaced by riots, Molotov cocktails and weapons.

  19. Ian Pulsford says:

    A lot is said about the power of the rightwing radio shockjocks and yet all they could muster was somewhere between 1500-3000 mostly fringe nutters after two weeks of organising. It says a lot about their real (lack of) power IMHO.

    I think Abbott might have lost the support of a few of them when he admitted that global warming was real. No doubt Abbott was talking to the tv cameras and the more moderate “sceptics” at home moreso than the crowd.

  20. john byatt says:

    The classic sight had to be the large crowd of them all lined up for a photo shoot with a lady standing at the front holding up a large sign that read “CLIMATE FOOLS”

  21. john byatt says:

    What hope have we pro nukes got when you read this sort of ignorance ,?

    remember that a few weeks ago these where the people decrying the greens for not accepting nuclear ,

    Head in vice stuff,

    Reply by John C Fairfax 23 hours ago
    Fukushima radiation is already spreading within migratory fish, in my opinion.

    Recently there was a huge barge full of fresh water being towed to Fukushima to cool down the rods but I think salt water would be best. Salt water sinks and mixes and dilutes with bulk ocean water. Fresh water tends to travel in concentrated streams on the surface. Surface water is forced by wind and travels faster and vast distances. Fresh water with bonded radiation will immediately spread Fukushima radiation more than salt water. In my opinion the surface spread will reach southward at present into China, Indonesia, Philippines, Malasia, PNG, Australia and even the Coral Sea waters and therefore SE Asia food supply.

    Of course expert media and government experts know everything. Or do they?

    Try to see SBS TV weather synoptics late tonight (early AM) and see how present weather is coming SSW down from Japan and along the coast of China and down into Indonesia and northern Australia. Look at the shape of Indonesia. See how the winds travel, that is, winds other than in the upper atmosphere.

    All this would be known if the media was not gagging the state of the world ocean inclouding the mechanism involved in proliferating ocean algae.

  22. JeffT says:

    @ john byatt (00:03:48) :

    “Jefft , here is the statement”

    “That she might be teaching children her obvious vile and ignorant views while contorting English , very relevant”

    you are now constructing your own logic , that such a person would be acceptable at WtD if she was a lefty ”

    “and now you wander off into irrelevant absurdities about distressed parents,
    people teaching children with her obvious vile and ignorant views while contorting English would not be acceptable to members of Wtd,”

    You finished the original post on this subject with:
    “bet she is not teaching english, i hope”

    To which I replied “Pick, pick, pick”
    And yet you continue to start paragraphs in lower case, and start names in lower case, even the word English above, in the basic spellchecker on WtD shows an error. If you must be politically and grammatically correct -start at home first.

    Also a blog post is usually not EXPECTED to be grammatically correct. I would expect that the person would go into “teaching mode”, when teaching.

    Then a please explain ” her obvious vile and ignorant views “.
    In who’s opinion ?
    and how can you make a judgement on a ‘blog post ‘ ?


    • john byatt says:

      No jefft but teachers are expected to be able to communicate in a rational and coherent manner

      “One day I am going to wipe the floor with these Teacher Federation pigs in NSW ”

      “I will get a letter off to Miz Gizards”.

      No one would want their child to be taught by this whacko
      whatever side of politics she was on , this person is mentally deranged ,


  23. Martin says:

    Anyone who supports Tony Abbott or denies the need for a carbon tax is mentally ill.

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