Will we be seeing this image on the front page of a major paper? Nah… didn’t think so.
On September 16, Arctic sea ice appeared to have reached its minimum extent for the year of 3.41 million square kilometers (1.32 million square miles). This is the lowest seasonal minimum extent in the satellite record since 1979 and reinforces the long-term downward trend in Arctic ice extent. The sea ice extent will now begin its seasonal increase through autumn and winter.
Please note that this is a preliminary announcement. Changing winds could still push ice floes together, reducing ice extent further. NSIDC scientists will release a full analysis of the melt season in early October, once monthly data are available for September.
Yep: now I truly know what a death spiral looks like.
I doubt it’ll make an impact on those it needs to…They’re too worried about wallet skulking boogie-men…
Made BBC and New york Times, Australian media may now follow
A scientist at the snow and ice center, Julienne C. Stroeve, took a ride on a Greenpeace ship recently to inspect the Arctic Ocean for herself. Interviewed this week after pulling into port at the island of Spitsbergen, she said one of her goals had been to debark on ice floes and measure them, but that it had been difficult to find any large enough to support her weight.
Ice floes were numerous in spots, she said, but “when we got further into the ice pack, there were just large expanses of open water.”
That is not a death spiral mike, this is a death spiral,
Very true… I’ve seen that image. Powerful. And concerning.
You may find Arno Arrak’s comment interesting under this Nature Editorial . .
http://www.nature.com/news/extreme-weather-1.11428
They probably have not seen the latest papers yet
Tim Flannery is well up on the latest though
http://www.skepticalscience.com/otto-donat-2012.html
you may find this reply interesting also
Arrak’s self-citation is to Energy and Environment, which the SCOPUS citation database lists as a trade journal: “covering and intended to reach a specific industry, trade or type of business”.
Although its publisher threatened climatologist Gavin Schmidt with a libel suit for alleging the magazine “effectively dispensed with substantive peer review for any papers that follow the editor’s political line”. Schmidt refused to retract the statement and E&E never sued.
I am still interested in how M. Mann is coming along with his lawsuit.
Arrak’s ‘observation’ that Arctic warming ‘suddenly started at the turn of the 20th century’ is simply false and unsupported by the evidence….FFS, anyone and everyone can examine the trend data without much effort. The rest of his assertions are similarly rubbish. Why does he bother?
…and,yes,Watts has substantially misrepresented the Nature Editorial:
“….[the] pessimistic conclusion [at the Oxford climate workshop] -that climate attribution is a non-starter- is too harsh.”
Watts never surprises.
Here Keith, this will explain the Greenland near total surface melt, a real peer reviewed paper
http://www.meltfactor.org/blog/?p=618
Yes that is a good paper.
I particular found the reference to significantly downward solar irradiation enlightening.
Spilt my coffee reading that, and Mann won the law suit twelve months ago
Nuh uh . . the one against National Review. Do keep up.
Which lawsuit against National Review?
Oh this lawsuit
http://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist
yes another win for michael
No, this one against Mark Steyn . .
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/23/yay-mike-mann-took-the-bait-intends-to-file-lawsuit-against-steyn-and-nro/
He has not filed it yet Keith, my guess is that they will settle out of court anyway,
rather indefensible,
He has not filed it yet Keith, my guess is that they will settle out of court anyway,
rather indefensible,
they are stuffed
People have been asking for my reaction to the recent response by the National Review. Here is a statement from my lawyer John B. Williams of Cozen O’Connor:
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The response of the National Review is telling with respect to the issues it did not address. It did not address, or even acknowledge, the fact that Dr. Mann’s research has been extensively reviewed by a number of independent parties, including the National Science Foundation, with never a suggestion of any fraud or research misconduct. It did not address, or even acknowledge, the fact that Dr. Mann’s conclusions have been replicated by no fewer than twelve independent studies. It did not deny the fact that it was aware that Dr. Mann has been repeatedly exonerated of any fraudulent conduct. It did not deny the fact that it knew its allegations of fraud were false. Rather, the National Review’s defense seems to be that it did not really mean what it said last month when it accused Dr. Mann of fraud. Beyond this, the response is little more than an invective filled personal attack on Dr. Mann. And further, this attack is coupled with the transparent threat that the National Review intends to undertake burdensome and abusive litigation tactics should Dr. Mann have the temerity to attempt to defend himself in court.
It would very much end up like the NZ case, with Mann able to be able to produce dozens of papers verifying his paper and steyn standing there with a few science fiction books of nonsense in his hand, The court will just defer to the science, books will be laughed out of court, oh and why i spilt my coffee
“In the 12 years beginning in 2000, the reduced albedo combined with a significant increase in downward solar irradiance yielded an accumulation area net radiation increase from -0.9 to -0.2 Wm^2.”
face it keith you are a dunce
Hahaha John you are a card. But hey, maybe you are right and I am a dunce. Far too thick to be a skeptic which means I am now firmly in your camp. I believe in the whole AGW edifice and now understand that we are all going to die if we don’t stop burning stuff.
Thanks for pointing this out in such a clear fashion. If only Watts and all the other denier pig bastards would realize that just by calling the AGW Believers dunces he could have converted them to the dark side. Such sparkling persuasiveness as you exhibit is such a tool for good in the world you should really be in politics.
You will excuse me now but I have to go and move my house away from the coast, shut down my internet, disable my car and grow only natural grasses to eat. It’s been real though.
Your understanding of what needs to be done is on par with your understanding with what is happening, no understanding whatsoever,
maybe you are not a dunce,possibly a fool
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