Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really.

In case there was any doubt the Liberal National Party is the party of denial, look no further than this most recent evidence. Craig Kelly, the LNP member for Hughes has a guest post on Watts up with that? where he writes:

It’s been a scorcher. With the mercury soaring to 42.3 C in Sydney last week and the city in meltdown, the papers screamed, “This is climate change. It is here. It is real.” Even the taxpayer funded Climate Commission could not hide their excitement declaring, “it was hotter than before” and that “climate change” was responsible for the “unprecedented” extreme heat Sydneysiders were experiencing. 

And with the satellites unable to detect any global warming for the last 16 years, and the IPCC computer modelled predictions failing to come to fruition, Labor Government ministers were quick to exploit the situation to claim the “extreme heat” was evidence of why the Carbon Tax was needed to “do the right thing by our children”. Yet they failed to detail how, when, or by how much (even to the nearest 0.0001 °C) that the Carbon Tax would change the temperature. 

But I wonder if any of these people actually knew that Sydney’s so-called ‘record hot day’ on Tuesday 8th Jan this year, that had them screaming “Global Warming”, was actually COOLER than the weather experienced by the convicts of the First Fleet in Sydney way back in the summer of 1790/91?

The indomitable Tamino spells out every thing that is wrong with Kelly’s arguments. However anyone with an once of logic or reason can see how deeply flawed his article his.

In short, Kelly cites a doubtful and unverified temperature records from Sydney from the 1790s.

Yes – this single data point from a period in which the techniques of data collection were at best crude is cited as proof there is no global warming. Sydney may have been really hot for a single day over 200 years ago?

How about an entire continent blanketed in a record breaking heat wave these past weeks?

Think upon Kelly’s words readers. Marvel at the fact that this man is an elected official and there is a very real risk he could make decisions that effect you and me and the future of our nation.

I do not merely cringe, I shudder with fear that there are men such as these.

Craig Kelly: “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately… Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

Nor is Kelly alone as his party, the Liberal National Party, is a veritable ship of fools. In case readers need to be reminded look upon the folly of the LNP and weep – yes weep – for the future of our nation: 

There is a very real chance that later this year the LNP will gain government. Think upon that and what that means for climate change policy, mitigation or adaptation  initiatives.

All of us – every Australian – has felt the effect of this incredible heat wave and fires. Whole towns have been destroyed.

Our island nation was at one point covered by a “dome of heat” – and it’s not over. We have potentially many more months of such conditions which bring the attendant risk of even more heat waves and catastrophic fires. 

Kelly, an elected member of Parliament, whose responsibility should be to protect the future of this nation and help mitigate risk advocates ignorance.

Dangerous ignorance: a willed, deceitful and shameful ignorance.

Contrast Kelley’s words to the work of thousands of fire fighters and support services.

Contrast Kelly’s words to the suffering of those who have lost homes and property.

Contrast Kelly’s words to the reality of bitter ashes and fire.

Does it not make you wish to storm Parliament house and shake its foundations to the ground? To cast out the fools who are putting our future at risk?

Let me spell out it in no uncertain terms: the Liberal National Party is a danger to our future. It is a danger to your children’s future. A party that does not merely deny reality, but in the face of the what is clear and present danger elects to ignore the risks does not deserve to govern.

You may not like the present Gillard government. You may not agree with the policies of the Greens. You may be disappointed in the lack of resolve and lack of action by all our politicians. But the alternative? It is the Party of Abbot, Kelly and Bernardi: the party of denial.

What does it matter you ask?

A few words scribbled by an ignorant and second rate political player, whose name and deeds barely 1 in 1000 Australians are familiar with? Irrelevant, of passing interest – one more skirmish in the decades long climate debate?

But:

Look around you.

This heat; these fires; this trauma.

And contrast Kelly’s words.

Can we assign blame for these exceptional extremes? Do we have the moral right to do so? Who may we ask is to blame?

The answer is surprisingly simple: complacent and ignorant politicians such as Kelly; the think tanks with their carefully crafted and marketed lies; Murdoch’s media empire. 

Open the window or step outside and experience what it means to live on the front lines of climate change; turn to the media and gaze upon a blackened and scorched nation. Listen to the cries from the heart of the fires victims.

And know this is the handiwork of the deniers: Hell’s advocates.

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33 thoughts on “Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really.

  1. [...] The Deniers casts his eye over The Australian’s humiliating sea-level retraction and the bizarre fictions of Liberal Party backbencher Craig [...]

    • I remember that comment Bernard and after reading it I spent a couple of hours just googling for statements. It’s no good going to their party pages. I came to the conclusion that compiling a list like that really needs to be a group effort. If you want to start compiling I’m happy to chuck an hour at it each night when I can, and with some others contributing, we can see how it goes. I’m a bit time poor myself to do more than that but others may not be.

      ________________________________ From: Watching the Deniers To: uknowispeaksense@y7mail.com Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 4:14 PM Subject: [New comment] Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really.

      WordPress.com Bernard J. commented: “Mike. In case you didn’t see it: http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/about/#comment-25832” Respond to this comment by replying above this line New comment on Watching the Deniers Bernard J. commented on Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really. . in response to Watching the Deniers:

      • Bernard J. says:

        I agree that it would be much expedited by group effort.

        I probably don’t have the time to start a resource to host such information, but I’d be happy to contribute to it too. I hesitate to suggest that WtD would be a good place at which to do it, but given the essential premise of Mike’s site it’s a difficult conclusion to escape!

      • john byatt says:

        Mike give me a list of those you would like me to follow up on .

        have been in email conversation with Craig kelly all day and he is stepping back a bit on his wuwt post, will see how he reacts to some facts that i have given him,

        he now claims that he was only referring to sydney and not trying to connect that to country wide

        I told him that the met office never stated that it was a sydney record, he said he wanted people to know how much the first fleet suffered, which was his only motive,

        I also said that a history site might have been a better venue rather than WUWT,

        awaiting further reply

        how many volunteers can we get to do this ?

        • A pollie backpeddling?

          Rather than a get a list now, it’d be best to send me anything you get. There’s likely to be a bit of doubling up initially. Once it starts taking shape I can then start working out who we haven’t got. If you want to aim for the obscure ones rather then the obvious straight up?

          ________________________________

      • john byatt says:

        Obscure ones it is then

  2. john byatt says:

    Have never voted green until last election, worked my butt off to try to get Larissa Waters in,
    I knew that whatever party was in it was only the greens who would bring them to account on AGW.

    may I ask which are the green policies that are disliked ?

    • for me it’s not a policy thing but more the mixtrue of strong idealogy and lack of economic experience. My concern is that they would rush too quickly to reshape society and bring the economy crashing down in the process, making it impossible to reshape society at all.

      From: Watching the Deniers To: uknowispeaksense@y7mail.com Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 1:20 PM Subject: [New comment] Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really.

      john byatt commented: “Have never voted green until last election, worked my butt off to try to get Larissa Waters in, I knew that whatever party was in it was only the greens who would bring them to account on AGW. may I ask which are the green policies that are dislike” Respond to this comment by replying above this line New comment on Watching the Deniers john byatt commented on Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really. . in response to Watching the Deniers:

      • crank says:

        Dear, oh dear. Where have you been the last forty years, Rip van Winkle? The Right, the neo-liberals, the ‘economic rationalists’- call them what you like- have done a pretty good job of ‘crashing the economy’. In fact the neo-liberal capitalist economy is the greatest enemy of humanity ever, with its innate and deliberate fostering of greater and greater inequality, unprecedented wealth and power for a tiny, infinitely avaricious and parasitic elite, unparalleled poverty, immiseration, want and hopelessness, even amongst rich societies, now being liquidated through brutal austerity, all in order to pay off the rentier parasites of the financial kleptocracy. I’ll vote for any party dedicated to destroying this system, and I’ll vote twice if they promise trials, swift justice and condign punishment for the criminals who have looted the planet and destroyed its habitability for our species.

  3. owlbrudder says:

    I am going to vote for the party having the best plan to combat AGW. No mincing around, no giving in to my conservative history, just plain voting for action on AGW. If that means I have to vote Labor, so be it. If the Greens have the best plan, I may even vote for them, although I have a visceral dislike for some of their other policies (shudder).

    We cannot wait for the ‘perfect’ policy, but must act using the ‘best offered’ policy and I see nothing more important, on the political agenda, than acting to combat AGW. The issue really is that black and white for me.

    • Watching the Deniers says:

      Simular thoughts Owl. I’ve ditched loyalty to a particular party: whether it be the Greens, ALP or LNP the party that comes up with sensible mitigation and adaptation policies will get my vote. Likewise, I have concerns about aspects of the Green’s policy platform.

      Does that make me a swinging voter? I guess it does: I’ll be looking at the policies of each party through the prism of climate change and the environment. I admit I also heavily factor in economic their economic, energy and social policies.

      I’d dearly love to see the conservative movement and LNP come out with some constructive policies, rather than their reflexive denial of reality.

    • I have noone to vote for. I’ve swung from left to right to left as I got older and I now sit centre left. Green is too far left for me. Labor is now centre right and the coalition…well we all know how far right they’ve gone.

      From: Watching the Deniers To: uknowispeaksense@y7mail.com Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 12:15 PM Subject: [New comment] Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really.

      owlbrudder commented: “I am going to vote for the party having the best plan to combat AGW. No mincing around, no giving in to my conservative history, just plain voting for action on AGW. If that means I have to vote Labor, so be it. If the Greens have the best plan, I may eve” Respond to this comment by replying above this line New comment on Watching the Deniers owlbrudder commented on Hell’s advocates: The Liberal National Party is a danger to our country’s future. No really. . in response to Watching the Deniers:

      • Watching the Deniers says:

        I’ve come to the belief the terms Left/Right are meaningless. They can’t capture the complexity of a persons beliefs/values. When asked I’ll refer to myself as a “secular humanist” or “Cosmopolitan”. The later is an ancient Greek way of describing yourself as a citizen of the world sharing deep links with a common humanity that transcends cultures, language and belief systems.

    • crank says:

      Which Greens’ policies do you ‘viscerally’ dislike?

      • owlbrudder says:

        Setting the voting age to 16 seems to me to be ludicrous, as one example of many Greens policies I cannot endorse.

      • john byatt says:

        That would be a change to the constitution which would require a referendum.

  4. Watching the Deniers says:

    Thanks for comments, in the end I think the post should perhaps be less strongly worded and different in tone – but, I rarely take things down form the site and prefer they stand. On occasion I’ll post a reflective such as this which is a direct, almost visceral response to what I perceive as crass ignorance.

    The whole LNP isn’t “evil”- there of course many reasonable, hard working and honorable men and women attached to the Party. However, I stand by my overall impression of them being against science and unable or unwilling to do anything on climate.

    John – The quote is from Cromwell.

    • john byatt says:

      Yes found it, will email it to Combett to quote it in the house,

      this paper annoyed the crap out of me

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130115153517.htm

      by all means reduce soot, by all means, reduce methane but not at the expense of reducing the major player CO2, this buying time crap by concentrating on other issues pisses me off
      /rant off

    • john byatt says:

      Mike, your original comments stand, if those hard working libs who do accept the science simply follow Abbotts denier party line, then a pox on them as well

      • Bernard J. says:

        Exactly.

        It’s as many wise men have said.

        The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. (attributed to Plato)

        When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. (Edmund Bourke)

        All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing (Tolstoy/Bondarchuk)

        Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. (John Stuart Mill)

    • Mike, I disagree. The time for niceties is over. Strong words backed up by thought, reason, honesty and integrity are what is required. The more people that get to read about how backward the hillbilliy party is the better and people need to feel the disdain that normal people have for their wilful ignorance and policies they base on that ignorance.

    • crank says:

      The argument that not all the LNP are evil is beside the point when the organisation that they belong to is acting in an evil manner, and is being driven by those behaving in an evil manner. Where are the LNP defectors no longer willing to allow Abbott and his goons to drive our children into Hell, all in pursuit of political power and ideological zealotry?I do not believe in innate, intractable, evil. Even the worst of these dead souls could change-just look at Malcolm Fraser’s moral growth, but we are in deep, deep, doo-doo if we pretend that those who are frantically and fanatically denying the climate catastrophe are not acting in the most destructive manner imaginable, and that, for me, equates to moral evil.

  5. john byatt says:

    I have emailed Combett to bring this up in parliament,

    where did you get this Mike?

    “Craig Kelly: ”You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately… Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

  6. Here is an article that is far too polite in my opinion but has the results of a survey which shows just how out of touch with reality our politicans are. http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=5703

    In Queensland, the day after being sworn in, the ClimateSmart scheme was scrapped by Campbell Newman and his climate change denier environment minister Andrew Powell. it was the first of 8 carbon reduction schemes to go. Powell is on the record as denying humans are responsible for global warming and the Premier described that situation as “refreshing” before claiming that scientists were wrong about sea level rise.

    The Victorian conservative government recently resumed the granting of leases to allow cattle grazing in sensitive Alpine ecosystems (thankfully overturned by Tony Burke and backed up by the courts) and the New South Wales is happy to allow gun toting nutcases loose in National Parks.

    It’s more than just climate denial with the conservatives. If a policy or legislation has anything to do with protecting the environment, they want to dismantle it. They are dangerous and need to be sent a message that Homo sapiens is part of the environment. When you negatively impact the environment, you negatively impact our species. It isn’t rocket surgery to understand this simple concept but I guess if you are a simpleton….

    • Sou says:

      Yet the Libs were not always like that. There was a time when some important Liberals were very much in favour of conservation and played a big role in creating and conserving national parks, supporting tree planting schemes among other things. They’ve lost the plot and are chasing the vote of the ignorant and ill-informed voter and people who are too greedy and only after selfish short term ‘gain’.

      It’s very depressing to see so much evil in the world especially in politics.

      • Bernard J. says:

        “There was a time”…

        This is true for both sides of politics. It seems to indicate that some forms of democracy/economy (such as practiced in Australia and the USA at the very least) are not actually ‘stable’, and that like potatoes and strawberry plants they eventually become infected with viral loads that render them unproductive – in the political case, unproductive for fair outcomes for the disadvantaged, for the environment and for future generations.

        With potatoes and strawberries the answer is to chuck out the old stuff and start afresh with clean stock. Sadly, our society doesn’t have the time it would require to culture a new generation of politicians for the major parties – or of the voters who would elect them…

      • crank says:

        Well said, sou. This is indeed ‘evil’, the greatest evil ever, although it springs from the same psychopathology behind all human evil throughout history. Until we face that stark truth, we will lose, and the genocidists will have their victory.

    • john byatt says:

      Have been following up on Andrew powell , he appears to be a member of the local (Forest glen) fundamentalist group christian fellowship

      four coners did an expose on them a few years ago,

      still waiting for confirmation, but if he is then the church is running his agenda much like th AOG ran Fieldings.

    • crank says:

      As you may have noticed, each new generation of Rightwingers is more poisonous than the one before. Just take Newman’s pathocracy, and David Cameron’s ‘Greenest Ever UK Government’ as two examples. Then add Harper, O’Farrell and Baillieu, for starters. The Hatred of environmentalists and environmentalism is visceral, and every single environmental advance made over the last forty years is being torn to shreds. And the disease is replicated in the Rightwing MSM, the toxic sewer of the Murdoch apparat to the fore. Why they even make it a requirement for the tiny coterie of collaborationist Aboriginal Uncle and Aunty Toms to join in the hate campaign against the Greens, otherwise their access to Mr Mitchell’s bully pulpit might go to some even more egregious specimen.
      We absolutely must face up to a deadly reality. The Right either want ecological catastrophe to occur, and are working feverishly to deny every single crisis and ensure that they are all exacerbated, for mysterious reasons of their own (I suspect they want a great Malthusian cull of the ‘useless eaters’, and either think that they will somehow come through it or are so furious to see disaster occur, that they don’t care), or are even more moronic than one suspected. Either way, these creatures are humanity’s mortal enemy, and until we accept that reality and react appropriately, we are doomed as a species, and very soon.

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